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Debate Animal Rights Issues at Helium.com

Written by PETA | September 28, 2007

Helium_banner_write.jpgI’m psyched to let you know that we’ve just partnered with Helium, “the leading consumer destination where people can speak their minds and consider opposing opinions.” We’re excited because the partnership provides PETA members, and the public at large, an open and fair environment to debate any animal rights issue that you want. The site’s format is super user-friendly, so this should be a fun and easy way to talk to new people about the issues you’re most passionate about.

Should the NFL add cruelty to animals to its personal conduct policy? Do PETA’s naked protest tactics work? Should chickens be added to the Humane Slaughter Act? These and other debates are already heating up over at Helium, so check it out and let me know what you think.

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  • carol says:

    reading thru all these comments i agree the religous community has used the bible to long sugarcoating thier cruelty that suits them agaisit animals being a christian myself i say why did good and loving god give animals the ablity to suffer love fear and hve soulish feelings too although not as complex then we shoud just totally ignore it like they were mere objects it doest make sense to me these same people used the bible to justify slvery as well as child labor mabey someday more christians will see all gods creatures deserve respect for thier life as i do their are other bible believers starting to see the light but unfortunatley not enough since thier main agenda is saving souls as aheard one teacher of christiantysay animals are considered souls to and will be part of gods heavenly kingdom i wish more would take this view and show compassion to lowly creatures of animal kingdom i personally believe god loves his creatues just ignorant people dont see it because it doest suit thier agenda the blind shall lead the blind in some christian circles i believe my deep convictions for all live are his is becase god gave to me after all dosnt the bible say we are made in his image

  • SB says:

    Let’s not forget this one “The Australian people would prefer that some are culled and the resource used” Ana wasn’t talking for me!! I won’t be coming back to this blog so no need to reply.

  • rojo says:

    then you didn’t read my post properly as to why I was generalising. I made two “australian” comments 1 Australians are proud of their convict past” not meant to be anything other than a generalisation but through observation one i believe to be true. 2 “Australians don’t like feral cats”. It is quite possible some do though they’d be a strange bunch. I notice you didn’t take offence when ana said australians eat cats but were that I said “some” joeys are killed. I didn’t say none and definately not all so what else is there. While it may have been sarcasm it was a valid point and I addressed it as such.

  • rojo says:

    then you didn’t read my post properly as to why I was generalising. I made two “australian” comments 1 Australians are proud of their convict past” not meant to be anything other than a generalisation but through observation one i believe to be true. 2 “Australians don’t like feral cats”. It is quite possible some do though they’d be a strange bunch. I notice you didn’t take offence when ana said australians eat cats but were that I said “some” joeys are killed. I didn’t say none and definately not all so what else is there. While it may have been sarcasm it was a valid point and I addressed it as such.

  • SB says:

    Rojo You obviously don’t understand sarcasm as in my first sentence. I actually didn’t say I don’t agree with culling I don’t but didn’t say that in my post. It was you that was speaking for Australians not me about culling. I’m not the one saying Australians this Australians that this seems to be your favourite term. Here is another website for anyone interested in the plight of the kangaroo in Australia. httpwww.awpc.org.aukangarooscruelty.htm

  • rojo says:

    httpact.greens.org.au1048 an unashamedly environmental group. httpwww.smh.com.aunewsenvironmentanindustrythatsunderthegun200709251190486311919.html httpinfo.sen.ca.govpub0708billsensb08510900sb880bill20070907enrolled.pdf

  • rojo says:

    SB shockhorror I am but one graingrower in Australia and don’t recall implying anything but. Are you speaking for all Australians when you say they don’t agree with culling?

  • Christopher Cochran MD says:

    Ariel My three year old still believes in Santa Claus but that doesn’t make him any more real. African bushman are generally unqualified to be stock brokers. Unlike you though they could be trained. I hope everyone else understood that I have How does it feel to have lost your ability for independent thought? Line up like a PETA sheep. Maybe you and sheep are equal? I hadn’t thought of that.

  • Ariel says:

    Hi 007 “PHD”! I still think that title was cute funny! Your quote and comment are SO true all the way! In an earlier post Michele said she was going away for a while so I know she won’t be reading this but anyway yes 007 I definitely agree with you and her because I think only my opinion we should maintain a more constructive positive direction for the sake of the animals. Thanks for responding. I appreciate it.

  • Doug says:

    Michele and Ariel Excellent comments again I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts and the posts of other animal defenders like Mike Q Ana etc.. I won’t have a lot of time to blog for a while but I will definitely make as much time as I can to read the posts. It’s motiviating to know that the animals who so often endure unbelievable pain and torment have such intelligent and eloquent voices defending them. And as always the animals would thank you if they could. Cheers

  • Michele says:

    Anyone remember watching the Charlie Brown cartoon shows on tv once in awhile? If so you will definitely remember how the adults that we never see sound when they “talk” mwamp mwamp mwamp I am sure that that’s not quite how to phonetically spell the sound that the adults make but if you’ve seen the show I think you get my drift. Anyway that’s all I “hear” now when I see any posts by the “usual suspects” such as the Faux doctor and the “planet” vegetable Ariel as always you eloquently state the facts without getting emotional. Your words are wasted on the truly arrogant readers. I think we should just respond to those who seem to really want to listen who are here to learn and not just trying to provoke people with their lameass comments. We are not backing down just sparing our energy for challenges in other areas. Some of my personal affirmations are “I will not accept criticism for helping animals” “I am speaking up for those without a voice” and “Every victory no matter how small is a step in the right direction”.

  • 007 says:

    dear Ariel “IT’S NO SIMPLE TASK TO WIN THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE HEARTLESS AND MINDLESS.” selah people do and say what they are “consider the source” then dismiss it for the trolls with an evil agenda that it is

  • Ariel says:

    To any animal rights’ activist It appears that “Cocky” just a short friendly nickname has a reading comprehension disorder. So I am wondering if any ar’s activists can convey my following comments to him at a simpler level that he will clearly understand. on 10407 at 440 pm he responded to my comments posted on 100307 at 840 pm. Please convey to him clearly 1. I do not believe that wildlife needs or has to be managed. Nature takes care of wildlife without the need for “assistance” from destructive mankind who does not have the right to kill or destroy wildlife anyway. Therefore I do not have a need to “learn” about wildlife mgt. since it is nothing more than mankind’s egotistical interference an attempt to control nature and the need to “prove” superiority over “lesser” beings most likely stemming from being insecure. Therefore… 2. Cocky is “deflecting” from the truth by supporting mankind’s irresponsibilty caused by hunterskillers poachers etc. as well as placing wildlife “experts” on a pedestal for the same. 3. If there was one thing Cocky learned from wildlife mgt. obviously it is how to try to cover his tracks. Each egotisticalselfglorifying statement includes “not bragging.” 4. He mentioned that I made “sweeping statements” but I guess he could never be accused of that even though prior to mentioning that he claims “they experts UNIVERSALLY agree what a wonderful job I have done.” I suppose bloodlust minds would think alike. 5. Next but never last Cocky has often accused ar’s activists of either being bigots or he has profoundly alluded to them being bigots without him having any basis for his blatant accusations. Yet in his last sentence to me Cocky attempted to undermine the intelligence of African bushmen who by far have more experience lifelong experience with wildlife and its interaction upon the enviroment then all of the scientists wildlife “experts” combined. That is unless any one of them were born and raised in the African bush country. So I question Cocky’s perception would an Af. bushman be less intelligent than a stock broker? My thought is both have the necessary intelligence to survive within their own respective atmospheres. An interjection true a psychologist wanted to do a study about homeless people but he figured the only accurate way to study them is to become one live among them and live exactly as they do. So he did so for 3 years. After 3 years he ended his study and arrived at his conclusion he really didn’t fully know about homeless people because he realized that at the end of his study he would be able to return to his normal lifestyle. Therefore he concluded he wasn’t able to absorb the true feeling of being totally destitute. Point REAL experts like the psychologist make every effort possible to base their conclusions by obtaining wellrounded knowledge. Anyway typical of Cocky his last sentence an undercurrent was just another fruitless attempt to insult me as he likewise attempts to insult and make false accusations to other ar’s activists at any given and not given opportunity. And please pass on to him to finally get four things through his “educated” head 1. ar’s activism is not about being on an ego trip therefore we do not get offended with attempted insults towards us. 2. he would be wise if he realized that we are not stupid people. 3. for him to stop wasting his time “grasping at straws” by expecting glorified attention from us. 4. and for the sake of the animals we do not back down.

  • Mike Quinoa says:

    Thanks for the info SB!

  • SB says:

    Well rojo in that case what I’m saying must be wrong if noone has contacted YOU one wheat farmer in Australia. Again you generalize like when you say in another post that Australians agree there are too many kangaroos and agree with culling them. Although of course you aren’t talking for all us Australians you are just generalizing again. The quotas don’t even include the hobby farmers that shoot out all the roos as soon as they get their small patch of land or the orange growers who complain they eat their little trees although they haven’t made any attempt to protect them from the roos or the rabbits. Just shoot them all that is the solution lets not pay out for a fence. It is so easy to get a licence in a lot of areas you don’t even need one. Kangaroos should not be pets they are wild animals and deserve to have the life of a wild animal not an unnatural domesticated life. They may adapt but why should they. Aren’t there enough domesticated animals being neglected and abused in this world without adding more to the pile. How can these people shoot a kangaroo and then keep the joey as a pet knowing you have killed it’s mother what wonderful caring people they are. NOT!!

  • Christopher Cochran MD says:

    Ariel So what your saying is you really don’t know much at all about wildlife management. I am not bragging when I say I am an expert at medicine my patients take that for granted. I am not an expert in wildlife management as I have not had the extensive amount of training as say someone like my mother who is extremely well educated in such matters but I do claim to know a lot more than you do regarding these issues. I do as you might imagine confer with experts frequently in wildlife matters and they universally agree what a wonderful job I have done. Once again not bragging just pointing out that feeling a certain way about something doesn’t mean you can make an educated comment. For you to make such sweeping generalizations of the scientists who are experts in wildlife even if they are government employees is irresponsible and shows that you are deflecting and grasping at straws. For you to make any sort of opinion regarding the complex science of wildlife and it’s interactions with environments is akin to a African bushman trying to be a stock broker.

  • rojo says:

    SB there are heaps eating my wheatI don’t try and stop them and no one has come around desperate to fill quota. Some people choose to keep the very young joeys as pets so they don’t all fail without milk. Although my only close contact with joeys is if their mother runs into my car I figure if they can outrun me they’ll survive on their own.

  • SB says:

    Sorry I have to disagree with you on the joey at foot will survive. A kangaroo supplies two seperate milks one for the joey in the pouch and one for the one at foot. That joey at foot will need that milk for quite a while after the other joey is in the pouch. “Yes roo numbers are short for hunters as the govt only issues a certain amount of quota.” That is not what I was saying at all. The quotas are huge there just aren’t enough roos to fill the quotas. Mike Diapause is what rojo is trying to describe about kangaroos stopping a joey developing before it goes in to the pouch until there is more food etc. Not all kangaroos do this Greys will let the joey die in the pouch and then throw it out in extreme conditions.

  • Ariel says:

    I have never in my life ever claimed or implied to be an expert on anything and I have never played an expert on this blog site. that would be dangerous and ludicrous Among my “credentials” are my gift of compassion being open to others who have compassion especially those who have sincere knowledge having common sense and a desire to learn from REAL experts which my common sense allows me to discern. Life has taught me that anyone who has a degree or a number of degrees does not make himher an expert if heshe lacks common sense compassion when applicable and a contiunous desire to learn indisputable facts. When REAL experts relay facts they do not include their own interpretation supported by ego or presented with the intent of selfglorification. Any expert who accepts financial payoffs for the purpose of making conclusions to the contrary of facts is not credible. People who are employed in authoritative positions does not automatically make them experts admirabe leaders virtuous trustworthy or honest. Therefore with having vast personal experiences with such types of people I learned that too many people highly educated or not are in positions of authority calling themselves “experts” for the sake of the almighty dollar while they enjoy having their egos inflated. For example state and federal gamefish commissioners. typical of the govt. I rely on my beliefs that all life should be respected and no one has the right to torture abuse enslave or kill another living being be they human animal or nonhuman animal. Neither does anyone have the right to control any living beings by genocide which is not different from controlling the animal population. My beliefs are extra supported by having reasons to be empathetic. I believe that nature is more powerful than all of mankind collectively which does not require anyone to have a science degree when they can clearly see the destruction of hurricanes etc. Nature with the rain wind sun crops provides not only for us but for the animals. Nevertheless according to the law of nature survival of the fittest. So while we human animals kill each other off and destroy the earth we still maintain an unhealthy pride and arrogance by thinking we have the right and the power to control the earth and all living creatures. I do not get paid a cent for my beliefs nor do I have an authoritative status and honestly neither do I desire to get paid or achieve status.

  • Christopher Cochran MD says:

    Mike I completely agree with your assessment. We all of us have made a big mess. We of course are not leaving the planet any time soon and I can assure you that to abandon the natural environment would in the long long run lead to some sort of balancing out but I can not imagine what a disaster for man and beast it would be over all. Animals certainly didn’t need us but now many of them do in order to regain or maintain populations. I don’t believe that hunting is the only wildlife management tool. Rather it is a small but necessary piece of a complex science. The largest or most important issue has to be habitat restoration. Ariel I question your expertise and ability to make educated comments regarding wildlife management as your comments are somewhat naive. I as politely as possible ask for your credentials as you do not seem to have a very good understanding of the issues regarding the very complex science of wildlife management. Deer as one example do not overpopulate only because of hunters as PETA claims or lack of predators. They overpopulate due to a massive changing of their habitat. They have adapted very well to the nonnative grassification not a real word I realize of their original habitat. They do very well on fescue yards and fields and rose bushes. No wolf or bear or panther is ever going to live as proximal to humans as deer do. If you abolish hunting their only forms of control will be automobiles disease and starvation. Your state and federal game and fish departments do much more than sell hunting licenses and catch poachers. Humbly Offered.

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