Skip to Main Content

PETA Asia-Pacific’s Biohazard Team to the Rescue

Written by PETA | May 22, 2009

The swine flu epidemic has hit Asia—and so has PETA Asia-Pacific’s intrepid team of biohazard-suited protesters. They gathered outside the U.S. Embassy in Manila to point out the fact that factory farms are breeding grounds for deadly diseases such as swine flu and avian flu.

 

Thanks for the guard detail, boys! We’ll take it from here.
biohazard suit
[Heavy breathing] “Luke, I am your father. Stop eating meat, Luke.”
biohazard suit

 

Want to help prevent another swine flu outbreak? Click here to send a message to your Congressional representatives. Oh, and don’t forget to go vegetarian.

Written by Lianne Turner

Related Posts

Respond

Comments

Post a Comment

If your comment doesn't appear right away, please be patient as it may take some time to publish or may require moderation.

By submitting this form, you are agreeing to our collection, storage, use, and disclosure of your personal info in accordance with our privacy policy as well as to receiving e-mails from us.

  • Mel says:

    I’m not going to bother with the virus issue anymore. No matter how it comes to be and yes I may need a remedial frankly I wouldn’t be the only one knowing the education in America it still makes people sick and the H1N1 has been less fatal than the normal flu. The statistics there prove that case. But my point has been and will be it does not nor ever will matter where an animal is located viruses and bacteria can and do pass from animal to human in ANY condition. There is just as likely a chance a free range animal can get a virus that’s passed to a human one reason they do not slaughter a diseased animal. That doesn’t mean however a case such as bloat or decomposition causes the animal to expode and spray that infection into the air. Plus your argument of putting all animals out to pasture would actually increase the risk of a similar situation that is in the farm factory. And I will maintain that you must keep a balance in nature. You simply cannot keep all animals meaning “no kill” nor can you slaughter all animals extinction. Both cases will lead to a situation as we saw with the H1N1 virus a third entity will come in the way to balance nature out and will affect both animal and human. Case with the rabbits in Australia it’s not illegal to catch them for food they have no predators and need a human third source to cull them or they’d kill off all native wildlife. And some people also cannot go vegan. I tried and nearly became anorexic and I was definitely ill. In my case I must eat some meat. I know you guys don’t like that and you love to bash people for it but that’s fine. I’m also a healthy weight for my height and build and that’s because I exercise. Not doing that is why people experience the “toxic” effects of meat. Your cause is noble sure but I think at times you are narrow minded as I am at times yes at least I can concede it. Unless you have lived in a cow town and dealt with those conditions you don’t have as strong of a case. I can vouch that just because animals are in factory farms and are in bad conditions does not mean they automatically create a virus that makes people sick. Can they be improved upon? sure but even there it’s not automatic that a virus wouldn’t be spread. With this I’m leaving this thread alone. People are going to say how wrong and cruel I am for standing up for being an omnivore and that because of that I support what the meat group does. No I don’t but I’m not naive enough to think that wailing about it or protesting will make it where everyone eats tofu and veggies and the animals prance around in fields of grain. It simply will not happen.

  • Tamra says:

    Sorry I got so caught up in the illogical arguments that I used Mel’s virus and antibiotics scenario. The concept I was trying to convey above relates to antibioticsbacteriamutations

  • Tamra says:

    Ted I agree. I think that PETA using the phrase “Avoid the flu go vegetarian” may be pushing the envelope as we know that vegetarians can get this flu AND no doubt we have seen them make some big leaps before. I don’t think the rest of their post though is inaccurate. On the other hand I also think that the pork industry is trying to downplay this one as well. They don’t want people to start asking questions about factory farming. Yes I agree again. It’s all about money. That is why I said originally “ask questions demand answers”. I am hoping people use this time to start scrutinizing factory farming and no matter how minor some may think this is because H1N1 is not “killing people daily” the end result is that I’m glad people are starting to take notice. I think that the fear factor works with so many people because they do not get all the info. But in the end if people stop eating pork because they THINK they can get H1N1 I’m sure PETA and a lot of other veggie peeps for that matter wouldn’t mind one bit.

  • Tamra says:

    I’m in shock. You honestly think mutations have nothing to do with evolution? I bring up evolution in regards to mutations and you say that has to do only with Darwin and fossils?! Mutations cause variation in genetic code. If it is favorable they are passed on to the gene pool of the population. Over time evolution the population can have the traitcode that was favorable. This can lead to an organism adapting to new environments. Virusesantibiotics. Yes I know the general concept. But again your wording is incorrect. You are suggesting that organisms have control over their mutations because they need something. The viruses that have the betteradapted mutations can end up outliving the viruses that did not have them. They make copies of themselves and eventually you end up with a virus expressed in large numbers that is resistant to an antibiotic this is just one example. But they did not undergo mutations IN ORDER TO SURVIVE they can’t do that. This is a process it happens over time. They EVOLVE. I am right you are wrong. I am begging you on behalf of biologists everywhere to stop telling people that you know basic biology and that mutations are survival instincts and that their “done as a survival trait”.

  • Erin says:

    Mel antibiotics are for bacterial infections NOT viruses.

  • erin says:

    Mel Some bio 101 for you since you back up all of your arguements with incorrect info and label it “basic biology” “Viruses are very different from other microbial groups. They are so small that most can only be seen with an electron microscope and they are ACELLULAR NOT cellular. Structurally very simple a virus particle contains a core made of ONLY one type of nucleic acid either DNA or RNA. This core is surrounded by a protein coat. All living cells have DNA and RNA can carry out chemical reactions and can reproduce as selfsufficient units. Viruses can reproduce only by using the cellular machinery of other organisms…Therefore viruses are not considered to be living because outside of living hosts they are inert.” “The influenza genome is composed of 8 separate segments. The segmented genome allows viruses from different species to mix and create a new influenza A virus if viruses from two different species infect the same person or animal. This type of major change in the influenza A viruses is known as antigenic shift.” Source Tortora G.J. Funke B.R. Case C.L. 2006. An introduction to microbiology. San Francisco Pearson Education. So no viruses do not have the same genetics that we do in cells and viruses are able to combine and reassort to produce new viruses within the host. The filthy overcrowded and stressful factory farm environment allows for pigs to become infected with human swine and avian flu thus creating a new virus with surface proteins not previously seen in influenza viruses that infect humans.

  • Ted says:

    Ok this is silly. To my understanding on how his discussion is going “if you can call it a discussion” you guys are trying to make the point that farm areas are more of a breeding ground for virus vs more open ranged farms. True due to farms being crowded with animals virus tend to spread faster. There is one fact that remains tho its call “money”. You guys are fighting a uphill battle some places can not or will not spend the money to buy more land just to make some animals happy “now don’t get me wrong open ranged animals do make better healther meat” but this is all about money. Now i agree with Mel on some points like the people at that protest were taking this way to far. They are basicly lying to everyone tell them that “Meat in general” is toxic “please keep in mind that i am basing this on their sign they are holding” Now i am not going to stop eatting just because of a virus. If i cook my meat right i think it is the temp of boiling water i may be wrong then i should be fine. Now i am all about showing my respect to animals and i do love animals but i don’t fully serve them. I only serve them to my responsibility as a owner of the animal. I will not become a victim of the Fear tatics the some Peta supports are trying to imply on peoples lives. Thanks and have a great day.

  • Carla says:

    Tamra now YOU make sense!!

  • Mel says:

    Tamra I take issue with your comments definitively stating that the environment does not play a part with the recent H1N1. I have not said that I have said that it can happen in factory farming or if I haven’t I do now I know it’s possible. I have said that it is not JUST factory farming that a virus mutation can happen in any situation free range factory farming wherever. Viruses and other diseases adapt to survive through mutation in any situation.

  • mel says:

    For starters I want to thank the writer of this blog who apparently loves people attacking a reasonable argument and will not put up my stance as far as what I stand for as far as vegetarianism. It shows how hypocritical this site is. Tamra I maintain that I am right I have lived in cow towns for many years places that you would see as “farm factories.” I have never gotten sick there has NEVER been a mutation of an animal virus to where people get sick. “MUTATIONS ARE NOT SURVIVAL INSTINCTS IN ALL LIVING THINGS. Mutations are “random” events in which DNA is altered.” Yes they are. A basic example Have you not noticed that viruses get stronger and more resistant to antibiotics? They get this way because after a time the DNA of the virus realizes it will not survive the antibiotic so it must change its structure to be able to continue. It’s also one reason they say to finish all your antibiotic if you don’t the germs that survive that the antibiotic in their system mutate accordingly to adapt to it and then that antibody’s effectiveness is weakened. This is in the news all the time. It is still a mutation. “ALL YOU NEED MEL IS A BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF BIOLOGY. When there are not enough resources to sustain a population it will die off by itself. For that reason hunting and slaughter by humans is NEVER justified.” No I don’t YOU do. Mutation is done as a SURVIVAL trait YOUR argument is fallacied by your own statements. Genes mutate so a group can survive and be stronger and this includes a virus. Evolution would be something like Darwin’s theory or looking at skeletons of horses from the prehistoric age to present day at a museum. Please learn the difference I DO know it. Trying to discredit me this way will not work. And when a population dies off there is a lot of rotting carcasses and such. Those are also harbringers of disease and unless they hire a lot of sanitation workers you can’t simply remove all those animals in one day. Therefore I still stand by my statement that you must cull some animals to keep a balance. The little retort here “If you slaughter them all you have extinction if you let them all live you have even more crowded conditions that allow viruses such as H1N1 to thrive and mutate and reproduce?” WAIT I thought you said that factory farming or “crowded” conditions have NOTHING to do with H1N1……” They do I’m not totally naive. What I did say was that you can get the same scenario in open range animal raising. What I am saying is that it is catch22 if you let every animal survive you will end up causing the same problem as if you have farm factories. You and fellow PETA activists seem to think that we have all the space in the world to house animals we don’t. This is one reason PETA has also euthanized animals they’ve taken in yes this group has killed healthy animals because of all things they were homeless and there wasn’t space even they know this simply cannot work. Therefore it IS logical to reduce the population sometimes by slaughter in order to try to avoid these issues. There must be a balance period. And 9 deaths out of 6000 for swine flu is far LESS than the about 36000 that die from the regular flu annually. Plus more than 200000 people are hospitalized from flurelated complications. source CDC Let’s do the math 18 for regular flu die from regular flu complications 1.5 percent this swine flu. Um… sorry even if it were 15 the swine flu has had less fatalities. You act as though it’s been more fatal. I’m also not downplaying the deaths however PETA is using these deaths to say “Meat is toxic go vegan.” How do they know that these people died because they ate meat? they don’t too many other factors come into play. “I agree with you on that statement. Could the rates be minimized with more people going vegetarian and improving factory farming conditions?” No some people such as myself cannot go strictly vegan. I actually lost too much weight and became sick because of it. And your telling me meat is toxic that there is no sense in killing any animals for food For that reason hunting and slaughter by humans is NEVER justified but mention improving factory farming conditions? That doesn’t make sense. Tamra I know you want to twist my comments into what you want to believe but I’m actually quite knowledgeable in this subject. You do not want to believe my statements and I respect that however I find that PETA is becoming more and more laughable and inknowledgeable on subjects like this and people fall for it.

  • Tamra says:

    I don’t think “living” was the correct term I should have used. “Reproduce” is more accurate. Let me restate Viruses cannot reproduce on their own they need a host.

  • Tamra says:

    Mel VIRUSES ARE NOT CONSIDERED LIVING IN BIOLOGY. Please look up your information before you go around throwing out statements and back it up with a “basic biology again”. Although viruses have some characteristics that could classify them as “living” in the Bio world viruses cannot live on their own they need a host and for that reason are not considered truly “living”.

  • Tamra says:

    Mel Perhaps you should clarify your position. I understand that diseases can be passed from animal to animal and I do not take issue with that. I take issue with your comments definitively stating that the environment does not play a part with the recent H1N1.

  • Tamra says:

    Good for you Trevor. That does not mean that healthy animals have the same susceptibility to flu as the sick animals do nor does it make it right to treat animals badly. Now go tell your Mommy that you shouldn’t be on the PETA website.

  • Tamra says:

    “Tamra Sure I’ll stay open minded and demand answers why can’t I post facts here about genetic mutation of viruses happening in any level of living?” Mel You can post whatever you like so long as you have data to back up your claims. Some of your “facts” about are incorrect and I’m calling you out on it. “Why can’t I mention that even in cattle towns people do not suffer from illnesses and diseases that PETA claims happens?” I do not see any comments on this particular thread from PETA making any such claims. Nor do I have any other info to suggest that they are. “Why can’t I say that there has to be a balance in life and that total slaughter of animals nor allowing all animals to live to be a ripe old age will never work?” Why won’t letting animals live to be a “ripe old age” work?? ALL YOU NEED MEL IS A BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF BIOLOGY. When there are not enough resources to sustain a population it will die off by itself. For that reason hunting and slaughter by humans is NEVER justified. “If you slaughter them all you have extinction if you let them all live you have even more crowded conditions that allow viruses such as H1N1 to thrive and mutate and reproduce?” WAIT I thought you said that factory farming or “crowded” conditions have NOTHING to do with H1N1…… “Why can’t I say that even being a vegetarian does not protect you from viruses that are borne in meat in that some are spread through the feces of animals? That’s one reason for the ecoli spinach outbreak a few years ago.” I agree with you on that statement. Could the rates be minimized with more people going vegetarian and improving factory farming conditions? “Why can’t I say that the H1N1 virus is a combination of three strands of virus swine flu and human and that there have only been a handful of deaths 9 reported in the US out of the thousands who were ill? 6000?” I’m am unsure of the specific statistics and the numbers sound about right but your statement about H1N1 being a combo virus is true. btw you make it seem that since there are so FEW deaths that it is not as important or that we shouldn’t take notice….. “Why can’t I say that some of those who died already has compromised systems that anything including a cold could kill them? Or even still that age diet health could also affected that result?” That may be true and I’m NOT disputing that but does that make the H1N1 deaths any less significant? Should we just say “Oh well it’s really no big deal we’ll only worry when people are dying DAILY” as you said in an earlier post. “Yes I’ll stay open minded now the question is will the columnist here and PETA members will?” Did they really not post your comments or did it just take some time to post them? It seemed like it took them a few days to post the comments……

  • Tamra says:

    Posted by Mel “Why? The answer is a simple the virus mutates. It’s called adaptationsurvival instinct that’s why animals have evolved over generations they adapt to survive. Neither of these you need any facts just a basic knowledge in science and biology.” False again. A virus does not mutate because of a ‘adaptationsurvival instinct’. Evolution occurs by natural selection. There is a difference and you are using incorrect wording. PLEASE read up on this and stop making statements that lead people to believe that you have a “basic knowledge in science and biology”.

  • Tamra says:

    Mel Some of your statements about biology and science were TRULY painful to read. You are taking some basic bio concepts some of which are true BUT you are twisting them and putting them together to help prove your position which make them entirely untrue. “It’s called gene mutation a survival instinct in all living things.” This is false. MUTATIONS ARE NOT SURVIVAL INSTINCTS IN ALL LIVING THINGS. Mutations are “random” events in which DNA is altered. What ends up happening short version is that if the mutation is favorable to a species it will be perpetuated throughout the gene pool of the population. Fast forward in time you will have a large majority of the population with that trait that was considered favorable. The mutations that are not favorable eventually end up dying off. “Third it does NOT matter if it’s a factory farm or if they were range”. You DO NOT KNOW this with certainty. You are saying that the environment does not matter and you simply cannot prove that. In addition to the above mutations can be influenced by MUTAGENS which are chemical and physical factors. Are the byproducts of the MASSIVE amounts of urine and feces produced on factory farms mutagenic? Would that influence mutations and consequently the types of disease we are seeing now? What about longterm if factory farm conditions remain unchanged? I DO NOT KNOW AND I AM NOT PRETENDING TO KNOW. But at least I did not post absolutes on here and use some bio 101 to make my argument seem more convincing.

  • Mel says:

    Erin Viruses are in fact living. They have the same genetics we do in cells to multiply. How else do people get sick? BTW you don’t need to be a virologist to know that basic biology again. Pam I have lived in a cow town for a long time and never got sick due to it. These are crowded conditions for the animals and yes are smelly sometimes with quite a bit of manure but not where they’re wading in it as some in PETA claim but still no illness. I have also been ill coming into contact with animals on a farm. My point still stands while there is a greater chance for an infection in a crowded condition true it is not a catchall. That is my issue with these complaints. And did you NOT notice on the news that people were being told to NOT slaughter pigs because they weren’t a carrier? Even if a country has pigs it doesn’t mean that all of them have the swine flu nor that they all caught it. Oh and on the immunity issue tell me Pam why are we not all sick from it? We have to have had some immunity from it. And the swine flu is weaker if it were not we’d have more deaths than we do. Even the COMMON flu has had more deaths this year. And I do know what exposure is so please do not patronize me because I disagree with your viewpoints in regard to the protests.

  • Tamra says:

    Tom The logical thing to do would be to NOT post absolute statements when you in fact have no such data to back up your claims. I did no such thing whereas the poster I questioned did. Here is the statement made by the poster that I questioned “Third it does NOT matter if it’s a factory farm or if they were range animals can and do have diseases that will pass down to humans. It’s called gene mutation a survival instinct in all living things.”

  • Tamra says:

    Jesse I am asking a poster to prove the absolute statements they made in regard to environmental conditions and diseases. I do my own research but I take issue with people who make statements that have NOT done the same such as your statement about NEEDING meat to get omega3s and 6s. Stop worrying about me and go hit the books yourself.

  • Jesse says:

    Tamra instead of asking Mel for proof way don’t you got look up the information yourself instead of asking people you to spoon feed the information to you. I mean you do support your own phase “Stay openminded. Ask questions and demand answers!”. So why not looking for a answer yourself i just hope you are a “downtoearth” enough to accept them. So just in case. No i am not a vegetarian i do like veggies. I know i need the meats for protein and omega3 that are needed to block omega6s which help pervent which help pervent inflammation and pain.

  • Trevor says:

    Im in 5th grade and I know the basics of genetics and how any animal no matter how well it has been treated has a chance to carry the flu

  • Kat says:

    mel are you vegetarian or vegan or anything? How strongly exactly DO you support animal rights? I know you’lll respond like a civilized person and won’t take offense at this because I’m not targeting you. I understand what you mean people do overreact I might be vegetarian alias Vegetariansmakebetterlovers just thought I’d sound more formal if I use my real name even if I’m 13 Pyet I don’t cdare about swine flu

  • Tom says:

    Tamra instead of asking Mel to prove a negative “factory farming does not lend to an environment suitable for new viruses such as the “H1N1″.” which is impossible why don’t you give your data to prove the positive that Factory Farming does contribute to new flu strains and prove that H1N1 was a result of factory farms. That would be the logical thing to do.

  • pam says:

    All strains of flu are named after their places of origin. Swine flu because it started in swine bird flu because it started in birds. Are you a virologist Mel? What are your sources? The current swine flu epidemic started on a mexican pig farm. “Plus only a group as naive as this would go out to a place that has the bug to protest.” Swine flu is found in EVERY country that has pigs. That pretty much narrows it down to every country on the planet. “Third it does NOT matter if it’s a factory farm or if they were range animals can and do have diseases that will pass down to humans.” Yes it does matter. Diseases spread faster through groups housed closely together. Especially when sanitation is poor such as on factory farms. Factory farms house large numbers of animals in very small spaces and forces them to live in their own as well as each others waste. Pigs in the wild or on free range farms are less likely to contract and spread flu. Why? They are less likely to come in contact with an infected animal. Have you ever seen a herd in the wild Mel? I have. Sick animals are avoided by healthy animals. Swine flu is more intense than the more common seasonal flu. Why? It’s a thing called immunity. Ever hear of that Mel? Humans have developed a reasonable immunity to the common flu but not to the swine flu. The reason for that is something else it appears you have not heard of exposure. Humans are exposed to the seasonal flu year after year swine flu once every 10 to 15 years. How can a person develop immunity to something they hardly encounter? I got this info from the WHO and the CDC. Where did you get your info?

  • Kate Chen says:

    An intrepid person always act in a brave way. I appreciate PETA AsiaPacific’s intrepid team of biohazardsuited protesters. Thank you for everything you done. I will be the intrepid person for protecting animal right as well as telling friends to go vegetarian.

  • erin says:

    Mel Viruses are nonliving. They do mutate and factory farms provide an ideal environment for virus to manifest and mutate. The point is not that becoming a vegetarian will help one to avoid H1N1. However according to an abundance of research vegetarians have a lower risk of heart disease obesity and cancer.

  • mel says:

    Tamra Sure I’ll stay open minded and demand answers why can’t I post facts here about genetic mutation of viruses happening in any level of living? Why can’t I mention that even in cattle towns people do not suffer from illnesses and diseases that PETA claims happens? Why can’t I say that there has to be a balance in life and that total slaughter of animals nor allowing all animals to live to be a ripe old age will never work? If you slaughter them all you have extinction if you let them all live you have even more crowded conditions that allow viruses such as H1N1 to thrive and mutate and reproduce? Why can’t I say that even being a vegetarian does not protect you from viruses that are borne in meat in that some are spread through the feces of animals? That’s one reason for the ecoli spinach outbreak a few years ago. Why can’t I say that the H1N1 virus is a combination of three strands of virus swine flu and human and that there have only been a handful of deaths 9 reported in the US out of the thousands who were ill? 6000? Why can’t I say that some of those who died already has compromised systems that anything including a cold could kill them? Or even still that age diet health could also affected that result? Yes I’ll stay open minded now the question is will the columnist here and PETA members will?

  • Shari says:

    Thank you Tamra you said everything I was thinking about to Mel. Since I am a eyewitness to factory farming abuse and torture just driving up to the pig “death camps” made most of us truck drivers physically sick.Dead and dying pigs sick with Swine Flu and half of the employee sick or quiting their jobs because of the unsanitary conditions that breed such illness and makes it spread even faster to the humans and public. I stop eating meat and became a VEGAN because of this. Texas is now up to 900 cases and is the highest in the U.S. And Tamra is right the Center of Disease Control states that you will have it for about 3 to 4 days before you start getting physically sick. And many are not getting tested they just think they are sick with a bad flu. Again thank you Tamra for speaking up. By the Mel I am not trying to be mean but I have a question. Since you stated that we can get sick eating veggies because of the soil because it is so toxic from the sick animals waste what does that tell you about the meat your eating? And the air borne illness that come from the sick animals that are forced into living in those bacterial infected conditions? Please understandif your going to eat meat you should be demanding the meat industry to start cleaning up their act.If for any reason do it for your own health. PETA wants the animals and the public to be safe and healthy and we know you can’t have one without the other.

  • Pepsi One is Fun says:

    Yeah Tamra while I agree that its dumb to have a counter argument on an animal rights site its alittle bit mind boggling to foddle though all the info consider PETA said meat is the major cause of global warming yet there are other tons of organizations out there stating that other things are the number one cause of global warming. I’m not arguing against the health benefits its just that when I read all the information on things that are causing anything my brain implodes. xD

  • Blu says:

    Mel A while back there was an outbreak of salmonella in my region of the United States found in tomatoes. The farm that it originated from was blamed for toxic manure only later to find that it was caused by blood and feces that had not been properly contained from a nearby factory farm. As far as H1N1 is concerned the area where it is believed to have originated also has a factory farm where it has been found the blood and feces and rotting corpses in the “waste pit” have been leaking toxins into the area’s natural water supplies due to broken pipes and overflowing of the waste pit itself. Going veg would mean less people eating meat less factory farms where it would be a possibility of things like this happening. Not to mention at least in my opinion that factory farms controlled genocide.

  • roxanne says:

    Tamara Thanks!

  • mel says:

    Since apparently my previous response was denied I will abbreviate my answer. Tamra my point is that it doesn’t matter if an animal is in a pen or “free range” we have gotten viruses from the animals. Why? The answer is a simple the virus mutates. It’s called adaptationsurvival instinct that’s why animals have evolved over generations they adapt to survive. Neither of these you need any facts just a basic knowledge in science and biology. Plus if the virus were as dangerous as everyone touts it to be and please feel free to give me your reasoning how is it that there have been as few deaths as there have been? Fact and you can search on Google in the United States there have been only 9 deaths. That’s out of about 7000 infected here. Even in Mexico the rate is less than a few hundred out of thousands of cases. Just for your edification I am openminded to the facts of life and science. What I disagree with is a group that uses this as a way to denounce eating meat. Viruses mutate people are going to eat meat those are facts of life that don’t need documentation meaning you don’t need to be an expert just pay attention to biology.

  • Brien Comerford says:

    I think I’LL side with Pythagarus Empedocles Da Vinci John Wesley Tolstoy Albert Schweitzer Mahatma Gandhi Cesar Chavez and Paul McCartney over Mel !

  • Sarah says:

    Since NOT 1 pig has been found with this Swine flu and it would be impossible for them to carry swine human and avian flu there not zoonotic which means the HUMAN flu could NOT possibly be spread to Swine or any other animal. Plus you CANOT! get h1n1 from eatting meat.. this swine flu is NO more deadly then regular flu.. 36000 people die of the FLU every year around 200 around the world have died of this swine flu Mel is right you people REALLY need to GET INFORMED and stop making WILD accuastions..

  • Mel says:

    Tamra my point is that it does NOT matter where an animal is living viruses mutate and can cause illnesses in all living beings. That is a SIMPLE BIOLOGY FACT viruses humans and animals adapt to survive in any condition which would include free range or more “humane” ways. You do NOT need to have “data” or be an expert to know this. You also ignored the issue of soil which also is fertilized with these animal droppings and other stuff. Feces are the worst carrier of diseases one reason you can be poisoned by ecoli it’s in excrement. Free range factory farm doesn’t matter the excrement does end up in the soil in factory farms cases some of it dries up and is carried over the winds and lands in soil. And scientists and those in medicine said it was unnecessary to slaughter pigs because the virus did NOT come from pigs. Let’s be real too on the virus if it were as serious as people say it is why aren’t MORE people dying daily? Can you answer that? No and why? there are other factors to consider to those who died such as diet a possible weakened immune system age the works. But PETA is trying to make the claim it’s due to factory farms. We simply do not know and no point in jumping to conclusions. I’m no expert of course but I have lived in what would be seen as cattletowns places that are overcrowded with cattle. I do not believe many who cry foul here have ever really experienced what I have. Not ONCE did I come down with any animal disease nor did anyone living staying or passing through there. PETA is jumping to conclusions and sensationalizing this so they can get publicity out of it when in fact they don’t know either.

  • Tamra says:

    So since you are the EXPERT Mel you can comment and provide us all with the data needed to conclude that factory farming does not lend to an environment suitable for new viruses such as the “H1N1″. You have the data that this could have occurred on a free range farm with say 10 pigs in more sanitary conditions? Please feel free to post that info here. Because while you are spewing your “weaker than the common flu a lot of people didn’t even know they had caught it” nonsense another person in our state just died from it. Stay openminded. Ask questions and demand answers!

  • Mel says:

    OK for starters you are ignorant. The flu itself is a strain from three sources swine avian and human. It also is weaker than the common flu a lot of people didn’t even know they had caught it. Plus only a group as naive as this would go out to a place that has the bug to protest. Third it does NOT matter if it’s a factory farm or if they were range animals can and do have diseases that will pass down to humans. It’s called gene mutation a survival instinct in all living things. Even becoming a vegetarian will not help you avoid these illnesses. Soil is usually fertilized with manure if organically and there have been some diseases that survive in the animal’s excrement. That gets into the veggies and into you even if washed sometimes. PETA really needs to quit going to these extremes if anyone becomes ill from this BTW hazmats are good protection however as we saw with Chernobyl not a total protector it will be on PETA’s hands not the factories.

Connect With PETA

Subscribe