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Battle in Brattleboro

Written by PETA | November 2, 2007

Well, not really a battle, but I’m a sucker for a title with a bit of internal rhyme. More like a skirmish. A minor tiff. The story is that the Town Council in Brattleboro, Vermont, were not particularly pleased about PETA’s recent full-monty nude fur protest in their town, which, due to an odd loophole on the law books, has some very lax legislation about public nudity. The protest has apparently brought renewed calls for a permanent ban on public nakedness in Brattleboro. Which really does seem like a shame.

Well, we’ve offered them a solution that’s a lot less of a joykill: How about banning fur (I’m talking about, like, fur coats here) in Brattleboro instead? That way, they can do a nice, positive thing for the community and avoid naked PETA protesters at the same time. Or as PETA VP Bruce Friedrich puts it,

“What could be more offensive than draping your body in the skins of tormented animals and trying to pass it off as a ‘fashion statement’? Nudity doesn’t hurt anyone, but wearing fur does—and it shouldn’t be tolerated in modern society.”

To further sweeten the proposal, we’ll send a trio of emissaries—fully clothed in furry animal costumes—to host a champagne celebration for the town, if the board agrees to the proposal. How can you possibly turn down a deal like that, Brattleboro? You can read our letter to the Town Council here.

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  • Caboose (Combine Slayer) says:

    Ana You Funnyin a good way

  • Ariel says:

    Hi Ana I am absolutely appalled to learn that IT is stupid and has a reading comprehension disorder. You see all along I thought IT was a scholar on every single subject pertaining to biology history medicinescience theology social economics the judicial system the Constitution on and on… LOL just kidding of course. I always had and have the belief that one of most stupid kind of person is the kind that doesn’t have a clue about what he or she is talking about and then argues with one who has highly educated credentials which he or she uses WISELY. So if there is any proof that would be needed about IT being stupid and a waste of time that would sum it up since that is the exact scenario of my belief between IT and you. I think it must have calluses by now from crawling into ITS cave daily. Anyway you are right. It is totally useless to try to explain anything to IT as well as providing UNbiased proof that ITS always squawking about having. Yes we need to help the animals because they are our focus. And the kind of help that IT needs well that would require a psychiatrist then a psychologist and then counseling followups because there HAS to be somthing VERY wrong with someone like that who insists on being wrong day after day month after month. And then when proven wrong resorts to false accusations false claims etc. Peace!

  • Ana says:

    Mars You really are STUPID!!!! No reading comprehension you did not get my message with the cannibals. I won’t bother explaining because you are a waste of time and completely pathetic. Your knuckles must be raw from crawling back into your cave daily. Ariel Mars is really stupid….13th 14th 15th amendments….duh. We are wasting our time on an idiot. Let’s write about helping animals because obviously this dumb human animal lacks knowledge about any topic and reading comprehension. Peace!

  • Ariel says:

    ALL animals have the right to live and ALL animals have the right to be pain free. The PROOF is in the FACT that all animals and human animals except the human animals who commit suicide have a natural desire to want to live. The PROOF is in the conscience of conscienable human animals who respect life. Death is a natural occurrence and should ONLY be a natural occurrence. Pain is an uncomfortable unnatural feeling that ALL sentinent beings seek relief from naturally and should not be denied relief. Only the unconscienable selfcentered human animals cannot see any refute in that. And since that is so then it could be fair to say that they believe no human animal has the the right to live or has the right to be pain free. Therefore we have murders and wars to kill and infliction of pain on other human animals. It could also be fair to say that the unconscienable draw the line as to what beings should live and what beings should be killed or tortured. So in all basic good conscience WHO really has the right to take another living being’s life or to inflict pain? WHO really has the right to take YOUR life? No one! So YOU or no one has the right to take another’s life be they animal or human animal.

  • Caboose (neutral, blue army. Blood Gulch Outpost Alpha) says:

    There is a blog battle going on NOW D

  • Mars says:

    Mike Q Again animal laws are not rights. Post the rights that Ariel and now you insist exist.Animal laws are property laws. “Luckily the constitution is a “living” document and amendments were added to change the inequalities many people faced. Otherwise more than half the population would still be chattel women and children for example.” Name one other admendment other then women voting that gave rights to womenchildren or nonwhites. “Ultimately ALL animals have the right to live.” Prove it. Post that right.No animal has the right to live otherwise there would be no death.No animal has a right to be pain free. “The specious argument that because a wolf will eat a rabbit therefore I should show no regard and eat the rabbit is just stupid. ” Mainly because you are unable to refute it. “So because cannibals eat humans we should do the same and have humanburgers?” Now that is stupid. Humans DO eat humans that’s what a cannibal is.DDUUHH!

  • Caboose (neutral, blue army. Blood Gulch Outpost Alpha) says:

    If the whole world went vegan we would become the prey or producers in the food web.

  • Ana says:

    Children cannot claim their rights first of all they cannot even understand the concept “rights”. So adults particularly women fought hard for children’s rights. And even with those rights they need parents to protect them and make choices for them. Try and find a fiveyear old who can explain what “rights” are and make decisions concerning their welfare. Because of the rights fought for them child labor was eradicated and children have the right to an education. Do they really know the value of an education? No but they still have that right. Even the Constitution of the USA did not confer the same rights on men. Only white men who owned property could vote and have a voice in government. Luckily the constitution is a “living” document and amendments were added to change the inequalities many people faced. Otherwise more than half the population would still be chattel women and children for example. Ultimately ALL animals have the right to live. My cats don’t need to vote but they should live free of torture and abuse and are entitled to remaining alive and not be subject to any malice. What about the harmless herbivores people eat? They are no threat and deserve to live. The specious argument that because a wolf will eat a rabbit therefore I should show no regard and eat the rabbit is just stupid. So because cannibals eat humans we should do the same and have humanburgers? Not ALL people know what is right or wrong either for others it is subjective.

  • Caboose (neutral, blue army. Blood Gulch Outpost Alpha) says:

    Michele Thats their choice Im not talking about infants. Is the term “In General” or “as one species” too compfusing?. In this world in any time period something was fought for be it human against human or animal against animal or man vs beast. The point is that it’s better to earn or fight for something that you or your HERD wantsneeds than to receive it without struggle. AKA laziness. A perfect example is in school. You gotta work hard for grades man!or get CREATIVE wink wink

  • Mike Quinoa says:

    Mars There are more than 90 law schools that are now offering animal law programs.   There are also animal rights lawyers. These represent de jure existence of animal rights. 

  • Mars says:

    Mike Q posted “Animals ALREADY possess certain rights as regards animal cruelty laws and humane slaughter statutes.” Laws governing care of domestic animals are not rights.Animals must claim their own rights and they must apply to all animals.If a domestic rabbit claims it’s murder for a human animal to kill it then it must be equal murder when a fox kills a wild rabbit.Animals at that point are not innocent. With Rights come responsibilities and with responsibilities come choices and choices are right or wrong.

  • Caboose (neutral, blue army. Blood Gulch Outpost Alpha) says:

    I meant easy way because you guys want to bar meat fishing etc instead of finding an Earth frienly way of doing these things.

  • Michele says:

    Caboose your most recent posting is just completely unbelievable. According to your logic people should only fight for their own selfinterests. So we should just let the starving people in thirdworld countries just deal with their own problems we should let the elderly in nursing homes continue to be subjected to abusive caregivers we should let infants be neglected and we should let severely disabled individuals just waste away with no human interaction. Do you think we should ignore the plight of dogs used for fighting or a cat who is tortured by its “owner”?

  • Ariel says:

    Hi again Mike! Yes GREAT minds do think alike! And you know that wasn’t the first time you and me crossed paths in the same manner. I forgot to mention before that I ALWAYS enjoy reading ALL of your posts because I learn a lot from your comments. Oh the anti’s have a template alright I think it’s actually a computer programmed plate implanted in their heads. And some day the same old gang of us are going to have to list how many “titles” have been bestowed upon us. I don’t think you ever had the “priviledge” of receiving any but I think I’m in the lead over everybody else! LOL Hmmmm…I wonder what I’m going to be next….stay tuned and we’ll find out!

  • Caboose (neutral, blue army. Blood Gulch Outpost Alpha) says:

    gino I suggest some .50 cal aspirin or seizing power. And you say animals are smart. If you cant fight for your rightsincludes North Korea and several African countries you dont really deserve them. Thats your choice to live in injustice! EVOLVE if you want to be really free.

  • Mike Quinoa says:

    Hi Ariel I thought it was pretty amazing that we had both posted the same thoughts independently. Great minds think alike? Are you referring to the allpurpose handydandy “anti” posting template?

  • Ariel says:

    Hi Mike Quinoa! I would just like to let you know that I wrote was not in anyway meant to override your commentswhich had the same points. Your post wasn’t posted at that point on the site but it shows that we were on the same wavelength. I also would like you to know that I addressed your hilarious but TRUE “quiz” about the vivesectors but I don’t think my comment was posted. I would enjoy another one like with relationship to your excellent percepton of the “pros” and “antis” that you have posted under a more current heading. Arielanimal “socialist” and what ever else I’m supposed to be. LOL

  • Mike Quinoa says:

    Well said Michele and Ariel. It takes a lot of guts to open yourself up to potential ridicule as these protesters do. The protests themselves represent purely selfless altruistic actions. I think the internet has been and will continue to be crucial to all the great progress being made in the AR movement.

  • Michele says:

    Ariel and Mike you guys are right on the mark! Anybody who thinks that ar activists are engaging in the “easy way out” is out of hisher mind. Unfortunately activists have to battle against deeply ingrained prejudice arrogance and just plain ignorance. When politics and $$$ is involved there is no “easy” solution because governments and companies want to maintain the status quo. Just like in the fight to end slavery and in the suffrage movement there were small victories along the way but significant change did not happen overnight. Dedicated compassionate people worked tirelessly and selflessly to bring about change to help the oppressed and that is what is happening with the animal rights movement. Change is also not going to happen if all we do is quietly ask people to please please please stop abusing animals. We have to get people’s attention and this demo is just one way of doing so. If any anti’s or skeptics here are thinking that we are not having an impact or getting people’s attention just look at the first few months of Jack’s PETA files. Most topics had just a few responses each. In November 2006 there were a few threads that received hundreds of comments not surprisingly they were for Burberry fur protests involving lots of fake blood. Since then each month has seen more and more people posting comments with most topics receiving 20 30 50+ comments each. Many receive more than 100 comments. People are noticing people are becoming informed and people are increasingly voicing their concerns about how animals are being abused. Kudos to these nude protesters and kudos to anyone who is brave enough to bring this kind of attention to themselves in order to open people’s eyes to the plight of our fellow earthlings.

  • gino says:

    claude and caboose what kind of tactic’s would you propose???

  • Caboose (neutral, blue army. Blood Gulch Outpost Alpha) says:

    Claude Yeah their tactics take too long to affect anybody. Another easy way out I say.

  • Ariel says:

    As usual MARS is wrong again and using its usual twist on words. Now let me start out with this animals cannot speak for themselves. Understood? Therefore we who have the capability speak for them just as much as certain humans cannot speak for themselves those who are mentally handicapped comatose babies children and the elderly who suffer in such cases as Alzeheimer’s. Although the people in these certain circumstances do have rights even unknown to them their rights are NOT always carried out with their best interest OR not carried out at all. Nevertheless IF no one were to justifiably speak for them then in a lot of cases their rights would be denied. Since animals are helpless in certain matters that humans inflict upon them EVERY state in the country has laws that protects their rights because caring people have worked at animals’ rights. Therefore their rights are LEGALLY documented and should be must be carried out according to the law. research the computer to see pages of legally DOCUMENTED animal protection rights as specified by each state There are also laws against the illegal transportation of animals from one country to another from one state to another as well as there are laws to protect endangered species. A perpetrator who harms or kills a police dog is automatically prosecuted for that reason alone. However we as ar’s activists work towards the animals having MORE rights the freedom from suffering torturing and exploitation to which EVERY living creature is entitled to by all that is humane compassionate decent and civilized. And if it thinks that no one can claim their rights for them other than ar’s activists it can talk to magistrates and judges who have passed down sentences to animal abusers anywhere from fines to jail terms for abusing the rights of the animals due to intentionally inflicting harm neglect torture andor killing. Oh and find out how many lawsuits RBBBB circus had and have against them and were fined for animal abuse. Why all of these fines and sentences? Because animals DO have LEGALLY DOCUMENTED laws for their RIGHTS that the courts uphold.

  • Mike Quinoa says:

    Mars said “We as humans have documented Rights. Animals do not and we cannot give them those rights because doing so is an admission that they are not capable of doing so themselves and therefore have no rights in the first place.They must claim rights and no one or no group can do it for them.That is why there are no animal rights and never will be.” There are human groups that are incapable of claiming rights or even being aware of them infants seniors with dementia people who have suffered brain damage through accidents people living under a dictatorship people with limited mental abilities new immigrants. Should none of these people be accorded rights according to your definition? Animals ALREADY possess certain rights as regards animal cruelty laws and humane slaughter statutes. Slowly but steadily these protections are increasing.

  • claude says:

    dont you all have anything better to do with your life. you all think you have a solution to every problem in the world but you dont all i see is a bunch of bitching moaning and groaning over nothing. if you all want to fix something how about starting with your so called supporters. and put an end to the methods you use to protest. because all i see is a bunch of idiots indecently exposing themselves. its hard to take you all seriously when you resort to such childish and illegal acts.

  • Caboose (neutral, blue army. Blood Gulch Outpost Alpha) says:

    Okay Ariel “Disappeared out of nowhere and beat up Tucker which was awesome and took the sword. Also someone may have been a little suprised about that and peeded their pants just a little bit…..or a lot.” Caboose from Red vs. Blue Episode 100

  • Caboose (neutral, blue army. Blood Gulch Outpost Alpha) says:

    Okay

  • Mars says:

    Mike Q “Those rights are largely enshrined solely for the human animal but all animals are deserving of those rights.” Correct. We as humans have documented Rights. Animals do not and we cannot give them those rights because doing so is an admission that they are not capable of doing so themselves and therefore have no rights in the first place.They must claim rights and no one or no group can do it for them.That is why there are no animal rights and never will be.

  • Ariel says:

    Quite the contrary Caboose. I do not consider myself important never have never will. Considering myself important would be egotistical selfcentered. To be an ar’s activist one has to be selfless as well as having the understanding that we are not in this for praise and glory because we do it solely for the animals who are not capable of thanking us which makes this one of the most thankless positions in which one can be involved.

  • Mike Quinoa says:

    Mars “Rights” are not a tangible physical thing. You can’t buy a pound of rights nor prove they exist. They are a concept that beings that have a selfinterest have a right to pursue that selfinterest. Also beings that feel fear pain subjugation isolation deprivation enslavement et cetera should as much as possible be spared those sufferings. Those rights are largely enshrined solely for the human animal but all animals are deserving of those rights.

  • Mars says:

    Still waiting on that proof of animal rights that you say exist Ariel.

  • Caboose says:

    That makes you important right socialist Ariel?

  • Caboose says:

    Nude protests dont work. I means more eye candy for the guys. D

  • Jenny Hunter says:

    Keep the working up x

  • Caboose says:

    animalfriend So if you aren’t a PETA supporter that makes you evil? HA!

  • Ariel says:

    That’s right Jack. You could at least make a very legit attempt at this than the VERY obvious BS that you put up. You know full well that the ANTIanimal rights’ activists like the space cadet MARS and friends’ hatefilled vindictive comments has nothing to do with learning about or promoting ANIMAL RIGHTS’ and should be banned. The real reason they’re on here is because they are attentionseeking losers who have nothing better to do than to waste their time making worthless comments against the rights of animals and any other kind of silly nonsense.

  • animalfriend says:

    hi peta jack and all the animal lovers i had a computer crash and shall have to reset it i’m happy to give you at least this message i must let you alone for a while but shall be back as soon as possible! in the meantime fight the good fight and don’t let the evilones overwhelm the blog!

  • Romola says:

    The truly bizarre part of this story is the ongoing endless debate in Brattleboro’s local paper reformer.com about permitting public nudity. Public opinion was mostly in favor of it following a socalled “old man” parading naked around downtown several months ago. The one thing that Brattleboro apparently cannot tolerate is beautiful naked women. Why is that? VT is very big on hunting so clearly they will abondon their beliefs if permitting nudity also involved permitting a message from PETA.

  • Sofie says:

    Hi I just saw the film and I started to cry. I didt see the whole thing i feet so sik. I wonder how pepole can do this to animals. You rock P.E.T.A. Love Sofie

  • Mars says:

    You know Jack you could atleast make a seemingly legit attempt at this instead of the obvious BS that you put up.You know full well that the PETA protest has nothing to do with the town trying to ban public nudity but the real reason is because of those that are underage that are nude and or view the nudity.