Don't Get a Dog!

Ana Don't be so thin skinned. I couldn't care less what you eat. I just don't agree with your stance on animal "use." Peace.

rojo I know that your comments can be as diverse as mine depending on the situation. Now since I think we can come to some mature understanding here according to your last post this is what I would like to say without any underlyng motives or meanings intended 1. I gather from your post that you lean towards animal welfare which means having the beliefs of aw orgs. that are against animal cruelty yet they are more limited to just comfortable conditions for certain animals. If that would best describe your intentions then you would do good for aw orgs. Now since this is an animal rights' site ar's goes beyond the abuse etc. and goes beyond just the comfort for animals. 2. Often enough you have sided with the diehard anti's or at times they took it upon themselves to align you with them yet you made no attempt to disassociate yourself from them. So how otherwise can you expect anyone to clearly understand your position which you have now clearly stated in your post without any intermittent snide remarks. 3. You want me to understand that not all farms animals are treated with cruelty and therefore not all farming should be painted with the same brush. Well rojo I do understand that but only to a certain extent because inhumane factory farming is the dominating norm anymore. I always had animals I was raised to love animals and not to discriminate against anyone. And after dealing with MORE than my share of cruel nasty and heartless people unrelated to animal issues I found my niche in ar's activism that is totally anticruelty and doesn't discriminate against the suffering of any animals. Anyway briefly that's where I'm coming from and I suppose a lot of our views as ar's activists are misinterpreted because they are very extensive and indepth views.

Ana So when I come home from work and ask Oliver if he wants to go quail hunting and he goes in orbit around the house while I am getting ready he is in Labradorian saying "Please I am so ready to be used?" I hadn't thought of it that way. I thought we were just hunting companions.

ariel maybe I interpret things differently. It in no way is meant to be oneupmanship nor attention seeking for that matter I'm sorry if you take it that way. My comment basically was I don't have to be an activist in order to understand the suffering depicted. Nor do I expect to see an "antiactivist" to find fault with such a cause. That you brought up "derogatory comments"etc in such context as this article insinuatesunintentionally maybeopposition from "anti's" in all areas and hence this too. I apologise if I took your comment wrongly. revick I admit to not following this topic closelynever heard of Vick before here but it's totally mindboggling to think anyone would defend such actions let alone be involved with dogfighting. I am not anti abuse just not anti use. I guess this is where we differ because I can't equate the long term suffering via neglect andor deliberate physical abuse like the above cases to an animal farmed for the purpose of humane slaughter which doesn't live in fear or pain everyday. Of course there can be such neglect on farms but not all farming should be tarred with the same brush because of it just as we don't pillory all pet owners for the above crimes perpetrated by a minority. My thoughts on abuse revolve around intent and purpose. For instance the person who starves or beats hisher dog has a markedly different intent to that of an abbatoir worker. I guess it's why I don't take kindly to holocaust comparisons. The intent behind destroying an entire race of people for no other purpose than ideology is very different to raising animals for food. It is not animosity toward the animals nor an attempt to wipe them out. Neither do animals destined for slaughter have reason to live in fear or endure starvation. In summary use does not mean abuse. An animal of no use can evidently face bigger problems.

There is a thing called "Freecycle" that is kind of like Craigslist but for different local areas. I don't know if it's nationwide but we do have it in this area. It is for people wanting and giving away stuff for free. ANYWAY I am SO SICK of people wanting collars food beds you name it for their animals!! Dogs cats ferrets you name it. I had enough this morning and answered one who wanted a "shock collar" for their dog. Told them that was cruel and anyway if they could not afford this stuff they DID NOT NEED A DOG. So looks like I'm gonna be busy doing this...now that I've started... And of course that doesn't even touch the people giving away dogs and cats... I had to email the moderator and tell them to get the WANTED BLACK CAT ad OFF immediately...for God's sake people have no sense. Explained about Halloween etc...JEEZ. They did remove the ad but I hope I wasn't too late.